Now I'm working on guiding the housing through the chainstay, which is proving tricky as well. It was nice to ride some Shimano brakes without rattly finned pads, though any ambiance was interrupted by the EP8 clacking noise. I've since ramped the HSC up front to 0 out (full compression) pumped the fork to 95 and pushed the rear back up to 110. Got to unbox this today and take it for a quick ride. No XL and bringing the battery inside easily is a major plus for me in winter. Batteries are encased within the downtube for protection and can be easily removed for charging on and off the bike or for easy swaps. Paired to the proven Lyrik up front, the Sight VLT delivers fantastic suspension performance all-round. There's another carbon. Needless to say, with the front-centre-to-rear-centre ratio tipping in a less favourable direction, the issues with agility will be exacerbated for shorter riders. Where is the speed sensor located? The C2 has a more basic suspension package than the C1, with a shift away from the Fox 36 Factory GRIP2 fork and X2 shock. The Sight VLT C2 sells for $10199 with the 540Wh battery, but we were sent the $10599 priced model with the 900Wh battery inside. The additional torque from the Shimano EP8 motor is welcome over the older E8000 drive unit when attempting to solve tech-climb puzzles. On the plus side, youll be able to save some cash on that now-unnecessary gym membership. I've been on a vlt 1 for almost a year now. It's not the end of the world, but it's the sort of operation that should be slick for quick and easy execution. 2023 Thok TK01 R Review | A surprising package from an Italian e-MTB specialist, Trek Rail Review | A plush, powerful & frustratingly near-perfect electric mountain bike, 9 tuning tips to get the most out of your Bosch electric mountain bike | Bosch Smart System Review, 4 upgrades & 7 updates on our Fuel EXe long-term test bike | Trek Fuel EXe Review, This website requires Javascript for optimum viewing purposes. Wed also love to see the option of a mullet setup for the Norco Sight VLT. I replaced it with an old aluminum Bontrager that I have always liked and the ride improved noticeably. would make for a massive day out. The BB drop also remains at 25mm. Ride Aligned Align with your ride experience like never before. Has anyone tried to lighten their Sight VLT? Recently I've also been riding the Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay C70 and there are some interesting points of comparison. Doing it upright works but there isn't enough room for the battery to slide all the way out without lifting the rear wheel. The frames all take the same batteries and the geometry only changes about a degree per model along with other small changes. The Sight motor and interface was also less finicky, particularly in the cold weather, while the lower spec Altitude C70 can be yours for 11,400 CAD, battery included, which is comparable to the Sight C2. Just wondering if anyone thinks I should ask the bike shop about swapping that spring out? Because of the lack of bottom bracket clearance, and my clumsiness, this almost ended badly. Good review. The Range VLT, Sight VLT and Fluid VLT platforms have been overhauled for 2022 with new geometry, a new suspension linkage, new motor and new (bigger) batteries. Ugly AF - yep. drat R120 Moderator Subscriber Apr 13, 2018 7,814 9,141 Surrey Nov 7, 2018 #9 I have a good sense of how to reel it in on my mountain bikes, but the extra mass of bikes like the Sight VLT changes that equation. ELECTRIC SPEC Robust components for performance and durability. relates to the overly stiff Deity Skywire 35mm carbon bar. Moreover, wear the right clothing. Check out our Trek Rail review for more. In the process of adding all that extra capability however, the new Sight VLT has moved quite far away from the original 27.5in model that we loved so much back in 2019. Visually, the Norco looks like a bloated athlete whom is taking too many performance enhancing drugs without any self awareness. - Clever adjustable dropper post, - Enormous chainstays limit agility
gotta love those "holy shit i didn't die" moments. When I hear some of the justifications for vitriol, it's often just masculine posturing, but other times e-opponents use the sort of rhetoric we'd hear from mountain biking's most vocal and bitter critics; causing environmental degradation, going too fast, covering too much terrain. The Sight VLT has been a popular bike here in Australia, and to ensure that remains the case, Norco has come out firing with this 3rd generation model. This has required futzing for me every time. Having tested the last two iterations the Norco Sight VLT 27.5 in 2019, and the Norco Sight VLT 29 in 2020 we were intrigued to see how the Canadian brand would improve on its electric all-rounder. Because of the damage I could only do this for the main frame, but I assumed the rest would be straightforward. This things rips! If you're somewhere in the middle there's a 720 as well. The reach is very long at 485mm, though the seated position is comfortable and nicely centralised thanks to the steep 77.7 seat angle. I had similar routing problems on a 2018 Commencal Meta Power. All-New 3rd Generation Alloy Frame. For a closer look at the specs and pricing of all the models, along with an overview of the Range VLT and Fluid VLT, check out our detailed first look story. NSMB Home Menu ToggleLog-inSearch Toggle Instagram Twitter Facebook Youtube Subscribe Home Menu Close Gear Bikes Enduro Trail DH / Freeride Fat / Plus Hardtails Slopestyle / DJ / BMX Women's XC eMTB Does anyone have an issue with battery removal ? Psi, spacers, rebound and all that. Well, technically you could, but theres no geometry adjustment built into the frame to accommodate a mullet wheel setup, so it isnt recommended. ", "I've been riding one of these in the same spec with the 900 battery. Even though this handles surpringly well for its heft, it's really turned me off to this type of ebike. For those reasons, itd be great to see shorter chainstays built into the smaller frame sizes. Equipped with a SRAM X01 Eagle drivetrain of 12 gears (1x12). I think I know the answers to those already, but just thought I'd ask. Sexiest AM/enduro bike thread. Love this bike. It's not particularly high, but it's very exposed and blind and frankly, it scares me. Indeed for shorter-legged riders who are on the border between two sizes, the adjustable dropper post is a nifty feature. The sizing the correct outer length exercise to fit the dropper took over two hours rather than the 10-15 minutes it should take (measure three times/ cut once). It can be coaxed into leaving the ground, and once airborne it does follow a nice, steady trajectory. What does seem pretty clear though is that you don't like ebikes and have some pretty biased views of them and the people who ride them. A big thumbs up to Norco for specing tough DoubleDown casings. Just in case, I attempted to attach the new housing to the old so that removing the damaged housing would guide the replacement into place. Wear a helmet, obey the traffic rules and wear hi-vis clothes. Its an easy bike to feel comfortable with across a broad range of trail types, and that makes it more appealing to a wider range of riders. The one exception is the low BB. The dumbing down of eMTBs will be inevitable- the gradually increasing amount of power will necessitate traction control systems. The user interface on the Rocky also gets the nod over the Shimano display and controls. would like to hear a 1st hand experience. Other things I've learned- based on my 2019 27.5" Norco Sight VLT (E8000 motor & 630 battery) - I replaced the stock shimano display with a Garmin 530 that shows battery % instead of bars. This sort of riding is a subtle art that involves learning what the bike can do, carefully timing your bursts of power using an aggressively forward body position much of the time. In fact, its the most stable 160/150mm travel e-MTB weve tested. Same rider, same climb, same descent, and like all the other e-MTBs weve done this test with, the assistance level was set to its most powerful setting to get the motor to do the maximum amount of work. There is about 800 gms in the motor and I'm guessing about 1600-1700 gms in the battery so circa 2.5kgs? Offering more than 66% range than the 540W battery ensures that you'll never experience range anxiety. Cheers! Thats massive! Don't post your bike. Prices kick off at $8,599 AUD for the Norco Sight A2 VLT, and top out at $12,599 AUD for the Norco Sight C1 VLT. the 630watt battery is superior to my friends 500watt We didnt need to fit any tubeless inserts, which is usually a non-negotiable for our local trails. The bottom of the line sight vlt could be a great build project to get the lightest weight, with the esteps 7000 and lighter battery, This bike is so hot its already got 3 threads on it. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate criticisms of eMTBs and those who ride them. You are the first. Of course this ability explains one of the veiled reasons some people dislike eMTBs so vehemently. Safety Your safety is a top priority so always wear a helmet when you ride your bike. The 4-piston Shimano brakes are powerful and positive, with excellent heat management thanks to the 203mm rotors and metallic brake pads. The general public sees us all as mountain bikers and giving ammunition to those who would love to see mountain biking banned globally isn't good for any of us. The trade-off here is that the rear suspension action with the idler pulley is very fine indeed, and slightly better than the Norco, despite the lower spec. Be sure to follow Flow Mountain Bike online and on our social media channels for all the latest bike news, reviews, videos, travel features and more!Website - https://flowmountainbike.comFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/flowmountainbikeInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/flow_mtb Apologies, did not realise there was another thread posted yesterday Itd be nice if it could have an add on battery like the focus. There is a bit of an eyebrow raise at the chainstay length however. im about 70kg in weight.. Is it the shock linkage and shock length the only difference that is creating the different models. Norco made a bold move by making the batteries modular and giving these bikes three capacity options; 540, 720, and 900 watt hours. Here's a couple questions for you. *I just had a promising strategy come to me in fact. Half Popeye. Even though this handles surpringly well for its heft, it's really turned me off to this type of ebike", "coming from someone whom typically does emtb rides on a Levo". However, its worth pointing out that the rear centre length is identical on all four frame sizes. And, wellranges. I'm just about there. It's burly enough to handle any terrain on earth, but not unwieldy or brutish. On the rear chain stay or id the magnet disc mounted? Luckily my left arm is even less impressively masculine and with some swivelling and grunting I managed to reach my hand deep into the bowels of the bike. Can you weigh it for us? Introducing the new Focus Jam2 and Sam2 your perfect match? I'm 5' 10", 215lbs with gear and tend to plow and currently have a Ripmo AF with a 550lbs spring on a Jade X that's perfect. We found no need to shove the saddle forwards on the rails. A significant difference is the Dyname's multi-pulley, semi-high pivot suspension system. How many people travel with their bikes usually? 5 minutes to do a 5 minute service vs frustrating hours - hell yes! Aside from going out and deliberately trying to ride the battery flat, we generally found our body and brain wearing out long before the battery died. 720wh - 3880g/8.5lbs - 1400 CAD. It flutters over chunder comfortably, and there is excellent composure under heavy braking. I managed to sort the cable routing finally. The rear end has been sorted from the get go using Norco's Ride Aligned setup guide, and it got me close for a solid starting point. Riding with a bunch of people whose fitness is varied, and being able to stay together, is like a party on wheels. That's good to hear Cam - that the ebike is helping to keep your riding alive with the people you like to be out with. A camera would have helped this arthroscopic procedure but all I had was my left fingers and thumb as my eyes. Theres also no denying the outrageous traction, stability and control that this bike delivers, allowing you to monster-truck through technical terrain. Safety When cycling always take safety very seriously. Batteries start at $1,000 for the 540Wh up to $1,600 for the full-juice 900Wh battery. In berms in particular, this thing is a tracking monster, and again the excellent grip comes into play. Cheers ? Ebikes, I'm not sure why the cable for the power button can't go to the right side but I'm sure there is some engineering rationale. I had pre-bent the housing to make the two turns and I put a curve in the hose as well. The 2022 Norco Range C1 starts at $11,000. No, we wouldnt. Either more gradients or a percentage reading would help reduce range anxiety. JavaScript is disabled. Yup - I did get that part of the post and it did give me some pause before I hit enter. I began to imagine walking into emergency with my entire arm stuck inside a bicycle. You are using an out of date browser. With the big battery, the Fluid VLT A1 lists for $6,100 and will go huge distances. However, the latest iteration has moved to a trendy mullet wheel setup. that issue was corrected with a shimano steps firmware correction. Working blind, I tried to manipulate the housing into the internal opening of the exit port. like riding a Specialized Turbo Levo. would you please share your experience with that set up please.. i am running a cane creek db coil shock with 500lbs spring and everything is great except bottoming out in 3feet drop or jumps.. please please let me know what spring works for you. Gear. I haven't done the excercise but I'm curious if you applied the same spec as say the lightest Levo SL, how close you could get. Here's a better view. Reach measurements are identical, with our size Large test bike clocking in at a vast 485mm (455mm on a Medium). Unlike the previous generation VLT models, there's no external Range Extender available, but do the math and you'll see why not. Awesome write. To my dismay the old housing detached from the new immediately because of the need to negotiate some unguided curves. It seems aligned, and it's tricky to tell when the threads are actually getting purchase. It's all fine if this discussion is had during the bike sale, but how many sales humans are going to say "the bike is great but the cable routing is a fucking disaster that'll cost you a load of grief and / or money."? It holds its line assuredly through off-camber corners, and even when plummeting down the most brutal rock-filled gullies, we never felt like we were being pushed off-course. This changes at speed and the bike feels less different from a pedal bike as the velocity increases. I did not have to drop the motor to install the dropper (One Up so runs a cable) but the kink between the down tube inner tubing and the "up and over" on the front of the motor required some gorilla gripping as the cable outer definitely does not slide like it should. Heres how the weight stacks up against some of the other e-MTBs weve tested over the past year or so; Given its substantial bulk and raked-out geometry, itll come as no surprise that the Norco Sight VLT offers a ridiculous amount of stability. That's an interesting question Mark and my answer is a personal one. Rivaling the Levo for integration. 01. I rolled up my right sleeve but it wasn't long before my right forearm got stuck. It's easy to imagine how nasty that fall would be. There are some decent gaps there for mud and water to get into, and the main bolt for securing the battery is also in prime position for getting packed full of dirt. thank you! Replacing the battery can be even trickier. However, a smaller battery would still only see the complete bike weight drop to 24.63kg (720Wh) or 23.94kg (540Wh). Norco's VLT GEN 3 720W battery is the goldilocks battery choice for Norco VLT riders who want the best of worlds. The dual 29in wheels and enormous wheelbase means its a bit of a handful on really tight, slow and janky singletrack. Class 1 motors kick in only when you pedal and will stop helping at 20 mph. Of course we cant talk about the state of the e-MTB market without mentioning the Specialized Levo. As one of the most popular options out there, the Levo hits the same travel sweet spot as the Norco Sight VLT. Taken to an extreme, your comment really gets to the heart of what is further along on a spectrum that includes such traits as envy and pride is this not also what underlies so many much darker thoughts about what some (erroneously) see as differences between races, genders, ethnicities, etc? No doubt about it, the Norco Sight VLT is one heavy bike. I don't recall being as spent in recent years as I have been trying to follow Wade and Dre's impossible climbing routes. The World's largest electric mountain bike community. Three proprietary battery options available (sold separately), Select your ideal capacity from 540Wh ($749), 720Wh ($999), 900Wh ($1199), Proprietary batteries featuring 21700 lithium ion cells, Batteries remove and install in seconds with a single onboard tool, Removable batteries for off-bike charging, bringing a spare, or selecting the The Spinlok plug is comprised of a thru-bolt and nut with an expanding rubber mid-section. The straight and uninterrupted seat tube means theres a decent amount of insertion for the dropper post, and it uses the new-school 34.9mm diameter to increase strength and stiffness. I've got a long way to go, and while being on a new learning curve has been confounding at times, the satisfaction has outweighed the frustration and the Sight has been keen on the task despite its seemingly downhill-focussed demeanour. FRAME Aluminum, 150mm Travel, Ride Aligned 02. Gobs of traction, excellent brakes with big rotors, and dialled geo kept me upright here. Luckily, it's a very big bolt and should be hard to cross-thread. It worked perfectly for that ride and several more but it was niggling at me this past week so I decided to dig into the repair. Is it shock size too? Norco Sight VLT A2 900w E-Mountain Bike 2022 sku# 212066 Select Color: Red /Black Select Size: L L Size Chart Sell Out Risk: High to Very High (1-2 remaining) $6,798.00 Earn $679 in Rewards Join Free Out of Stock Online Find In Store Similar Items Norco Fluid VLT A1 900w E-Mountain Bike 2022 $6,498.00 Been waiting for this release. I think this was someone trying to disguise their animosity towards ebikes in general by suggesting they normally ride a Levo, which has similar power to the Norco by the way. Norco Sight VLT Details Three battery options including 900Wh Wheel size: 29" only Travel: 160mm front, 150mm rear 64-degree head angle 78-degree effective seat angle 462mm. 900Wh battery provides massive range Well-rounded rear suspension performance Stiff chassis inspires confidence Long wheelbase is very stable at speed and climbs well. On the sorts of climbs where wed be looping out on the Specialized Levo and Merida eOne-Sixty, we were sitting comfortably on the Sight VLT, with minimal front wheel wandering. Norco Sight VLT C1 29 2021 on the other hand costs 7499 USD, and it's the most expensive model. A shorter rear end and/or a mullet setup would also help to better differentiate the Sight VLT from the Range VLT. The frame features a removable battery for easy . The range afforded by the massive 900wh allows you to climb in boost mode for the duration of a big ride, but those who need less power can choose lighter and less expensive versions, while those who would like to double up can swap out batteries based on the day's adventure. Take this with a grain of salt as I've seen Cam pedal a dead YT e-bike up the mountain at a good pace. Its a more manoeuvrable bike as a result, with less effort required to boss it about on twistier trails. :). Those who have both the genetics and the time in their legs to be first tier climbers with excellent stamina don't like to see others do what they can do, and while I sympathize with these feelings, I'm also aware that tying your self image to your ability to gain elevation on your own power, and letting that cloud your judgement, isn't a positive life strategy. The top-end 2022 Norco Range VLT C1 retails at $8,399 USD. So people avoid having You must log in or register to reply here. Personally Id be inclined to select the 900W fuel tank. However its says battery can only be removed by dealer, so similar to the Focus Jam. It's not just that they can get up ridiculous obstacles and pitches; they can also string these together in short succession without time between to get sorted. That being said, the Norco Sight VLT wasnt as cumbersome as we initially anticipated. Bikes - eMTB, In fairness to cornedbeef I was a bit quick with my judgement on some of your post. The Norco Sight VLT C1 2022 is a Full suspension Enduro Mountain Bike with a carbon frame. Considering how much hard work has been put into the gains mountain bikers have made in the last twenty years, by a small and incredibly dedicated group of individuals, vigilance is vital. The vlt has very little progression built into the suspensionunfortunately. The Ride-Alligned recommended a 600lbs spring which I think I will need to buy aftermarket. 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